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9-03-2011
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 10:54:24 +0530 Supriya Sobti <supriya.sobti@aljazeera.net> wrote
>Dear Dr Dilip,
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>I am journalist working on a story related to clinical trials in India.
>We are particularly looking for participants of clinical trials sponsored by US pharma companies who may have had an adverse reaction to
>a trial drug. or perhaps someone's family member passed away during or shortly after being on it.
>f you know of any such trial participants and could share their details with us I’d really appreciate it!
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>I look forward to hearing from you.
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>Many thanks in advance,
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>Regards,
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Subject: Re: Clinical trials....
From: "DilipVishnu maydeo"<dr_dilipmaydeo@rediffmail.com> Sun, 06 Mar 2011 11:29:37
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Hello ,
Was involved with an high end antibiotic in Nosocomial Pneumonia .We at our institution did 2nd largest series for that indication. But due to proper selection, monitoring ,quick response and documentation ,had no ADR or more sinister outcome.In fact we from the data generated concluded that existing antibiotics are as good as the new intended antibiotic. This molecule was eventually launched and we were called for the launching event. But we were surprised that no reference was made to our study in the dossier handout.
Incidentally the Largest series had 3 times our subjects. This is possible if the selection criteria are not strictly adhered to.It is in such circumstances that ADRs are maximum.
In another situation for an Anti TB drug we refused to conduct the trial as the basic premise of the trial was not clear and was scientifically irrational. Role of World Bank in such community driven trials is suspect. Our own know how on therapeutics of TB is cutting edge and clinically outsourced trials on anti TB drugs should not be entertained on poor patients.
Trials of Alternate day regimens and twice weekly regimens for TB were conducted 1n 1970s at leading TB research institutes in the country with favorable results.Inspite of the costs having come down drastically in last 30 years, It was surprising that Indian Government gave a go ahead to world bank funded DOTS after 25 years in form of RNTCP.The world bank needs to give royalty to the individuals and institutions who conducted these studies off setting their own interests. Moreover this DOTS treatment has spurned XDR TB due to inherent mathematically provable fallacies on compliance and operational issues.
We were also involved in yet another Anti Asthmatic drug which was proved to be safe and became as established drug all over .Although skeptic at the beginning we realized consistent ly good out comes. This drug has a great role in Step down treatment from Steroids.
Our corpus of experience is heterogenic and we tend to conclude that basic rationale needs to be examined and clinical trials seen as very sophisticated research rather that a business model to multiply incomes in a scenario of opportunistic me too molecules being introduced in and encashed in a charged brand management Marketing environment .There is therefore a distinct need to endorse social marketing as a modality over traditional competitive marketing as a 'spit and polish' charismatic activity.
2nd Email to Supriya
India and mainly Maharashtra especially cities like Mumbai and Pune are hubs for Clinical trials. From 2009 a Register is maintained at Centre for studies in Ethics and Rights for listing these trials although it is not mandatory for Pharmacokinetic or Bioavailability studies to be registered. From 2006 to 2011 there was a 36% increase in number of Clinical Trials.
Interestingly there is no correlation between the epidemiology of diseases and trial scenarios which means that Indians are being used as Guinea pigs. This scene is due to trials being outsourced to the country partly due to the fact that they can be done at a very economical price and partly due to the fact that skilled and dedicated personnel are available for conduct of such trials.
The discrepancy is illustrated aptly by the fact that TB is most prevalent disease however TB drug trials conducted are < 1% whereas Cancer trials are maximum at 13 % even when Cancer does not rank as a major killer in the country unlike the western hemisphere. Trials on prenatal conditions stand at 2.9%.
Source : TIMES of India
ADRs/death results for the following reasons 1) Poor quality of Induction and motivation 2) Not assigning responsibility to junior staff 3) Inadequate remuneration to junior staff 4) Communication gaps between patients and Junior staff or between juniors and seniors 5) Not following the inclusion criteria or lack of understanding of the criteria 6) Inadequate monitoring and or reporting 7) Drug interactions and undeclared co morbidities 8) Lack of appreciation of seriousness of certain clinical signs and inadequate clinical training to staff including nursing staff 9) Monetary gains and suppression of information for being deported from trial and loss of monies 10) laziness to document ADRs immediately and improper filling of forms due to other clinical responsibilities.
Dr Dilip Maydeo MD ,DIM,MCAAI
Subject: Re: Clinical trials Scenario
From: "DilipVishnu maydeo"<dr_dilipmaydeo@rediffmail.com> Mon, 07 Mar 2011 22:41:29
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Actually I am not a clinical pharmacologist who specialize in conduct of trials. I am a clinician with interest in clinical research and drug evaluations. Because you wrote , I wrote back.i surely can spend some time with you with documents if I can lay my hands on them.
Having worked for Pharma industry in past, I am able to appreciate the business aspects of the activity. Being a perfectionist, I do not undertake any study unless I am satisfied about the ethical aspects of any study.Incidently Clinical research is not only about drugs ,it can be about technology ,bioengineering, Biodesign and bedside monitoring as well. Your team is welcome to interact with me if it is mutually convenient. Please keep me informed.
My cell number is : 9821041983
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 22:10:32 +0530 Supriya Sobti <supriya.sobti@aljazeera.net> wrote
>Doc many thanks for your email. That was very informative.
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>I just wanted to double check if there are any US sponsored trials that you conducting at the moment? Either in the recruitment phase or on-going.
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>We will be in Mumbai later this week and if you are available and willing to talk to us about how you conduct trials (perhaps even show us some patient interaction - how people are told about a clinical trial at the time of signing the consent form etc..) then we'd definitely like to spend some time with you.
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>I look fwd to hearing from you.
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>Best,
>Supriya Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:17:45 +0300
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At 12 noon they walked into my office point blank. I was ready for them but not the questions as I was not given any questions in advance which is an etiquette .This was their Modus Operandi to get onto their subject aggressively so that caution is flung to the wind. Any defense is ruled out.
They were; one Canadian, One American and one French Man. They took charge and dictated the terms, they set the agenda .It was expected that I will succumb to their salvos and say something unconstitutional and ridiculous. That is not possible as a man of science equipped with a vocabulary of terms which have been a standard armamentarium to draw in certain points emphatically especially when the subject is close to your heart.
I was talking incessantly fielding one question after another, trying to illustrate my points as much. I was ruthless with and capitalization of Healthcare.
Healthcare Vs Fine Chemical Industry: Relevant points which I made was the confusion of layperson to consider Chemical and fine chemical drug industry as a part of health care industry. One is a manufacturing industry whereas another is a service industry. Doctors role was to deliver health care holistically not be looked upon as a prescribing extension of Medical Sales team.
Conferences: Conflict of Interests is highly prevalent although it is blatantly denied. Foreign jaunts used for promotion of products. Research has to be relevant to the country. Manpower utilization is justified due to availability but there is strong likely that it will be misused for lesser effective molecules which may exhibited as very useful additions to therapeutics. Most conferences are studded with papers which are sponsored for a consideration and cost of sponsorship is high. The timings of such presentation is strategically decided to allow maximum audience. Papers which talk highly favorable of a molecule are selected for award.
Responsibility: Onus of fair and quality trials are with Medical Professionals. The registry of ethical trials should be available to any interested party including competitor’s .Transparency is uppermost. Trial data cannot be withheld under the garb of privacy or secrecy of contract as results which can get extended to hundreds and thousands eventually has to be in public domain and it will be criminal to withhold any data be it positive or negative. Doctors should accept trials based on their expertise and get data from world literature and not rely on data given by the company which may be highly biased E.g. Omalizumab. ADRs are the ones when co morbidities are ruled out as the cause of the ADRs.Omalizumab is a failure in US and hence being tried on Indians to get back the monies spent on research of a useless drug is being sold in a garb of a post marketing study.
.ADRs & Deaths :Deaths associated with usage of molecules may be due to high intrinsic mortality of a condition but inefficacious molecules may be indirectly implicated .This is justified and only genuine molecules which are distinctly superior to existing molecules need be studied and accepted for clinical trials.Eg Doripenem vs. Cilanem.Doripenem was later indicated for abdominal sepsis and not nosocomial pneumonia. It was a drug which was being resurrected in 2007 for which I was a part of multicentre trial. From my own data of 17 odd cases I could conclude that this drug was not superior to many other existing high end antibiotics. I showed the master chart of those cases .2 deaths had occurred in Doripenem group co-incidentally these patients had high level of comorbidities.They clicked pictures of the chart.Doripenem belongs to Johnson & Johnson.It was a drug possibly discovered in 1967.Drug Lag still exists again for commercial reasons.
American Multinationals Companies should adopt the subjects throughout lifetime and not abandon subjects after the trial is done with. It is wrong to pose that the subjects are getting drugs which are unaffordable by them this is not true due to generic drugs being available in interiors at one fifth the cost for most life threatening conditions. Cancer is not number one killer in the country but infectious diseases most cases are thronging to cancer centers in towns and cities and becoming easy targets of clinical drug research. The biggest fallout of clinical trials is skill generation by Indian doctors. Ethical committee is a farce. The trials should document ethical committee minutes and relevant questioning by peers from all departments than by a high powered committee who gives the signal for monetary considerations. Failed drugs are being resurrected and possibly commercially exploited for unsuspecting patients by buying off his doctor. Commercial objectives are placed above ethical issues as money has become sparse in capitalalistic society and governments have ceased to be welfare states.Corporates have become bigger than nations. Another relevant issue is : Will Americans accept drugs based on trials done in India ,because of racial issue which translates biologically as Pharmacogenetics or ecological due to differing nutritional status of Indian subjects. What about Ethics committee meetings in US how are they administered? Are they not farcical too?
Many other points were raised and debated. A certain magazine bought by my wife came handy .I had read an article in the morning before the interview. They had read it too. At the end I was visibly tired. Very Passionate!!Was their response in unison .For me, it was a close brush with aliens belonging to another professional planet: The press